What I’m about to post is everything I wish I knew before I had joined my first Order. I hope that it helps others.
- Do research on the group. Look over not just their website but talk to current and ex-members of the group. Find out why people left and what the Internet says about them. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.
- Be wary of claims made. If they claim to be hundreds and thousands of years old with direct lineage to Jesus Christ, Apollonius of Tyana, Superman, whatever–RUN.
- Be wary of costs to join and remain a member. Places that charge an arm and a leg are typically more in it for making money off of the credulous than they are providing genuine spiritual teachings.
Also…if you’re already a member:
- If you join and discover that people talk strangely about the leaders, claim that they can “know everything about you”, are above reproach, and ask you not question to their beliefs/ideas/opinions/philosophy, that’s a red flag.
- If you join and they tell you who to and not to befriend, RUN.
- If they encourage people to not talk to people who have left their group, RUN.
- If they tell you certain books and traditions can’t be read or learned because the knowledge will do awful, evil things to your soul, RUN.
- Do they put others down for being “fluffy” or not measuring up to their standards? Do they maybe spend TOO much time talking bad about other groups?
- Do they spend too much time being serious and taking each other perhaps a bit too seriously?
- Do they frown upon mistakes and come down on you if you make any? Are you made to feel uncomfortable for having made them?
- Do they look older than their ages? Are they generally stressed and unhappy with their lives?
- Do they enter into heated debates and competition with people that appears to be less than friendly?
- Do they seem to be “angry” all of the time and encourage doing a lot of Mars and Saturn style workings? Ie., “battling our enemies” and engaging in “magickal/spiritual warfare”, that sort of thing?
- Do they scoff at people who want to try certain magicks or spiritual traditions and claim that it’s not possible or it’s too “stupid” or “a waste of time” to try?
- Do they encourage “not reading ahead” of your “level” and keep strict hierarchy in both social and business related settings?
- Do they instill fear in those who have done so, either accidentally or on purpose?
- Do they seem to be filled with fear and/or anger at certain sorts of traditions, knowledge, and teachings that they disagree with or is different from their own?
- Do they tout certain “healing rituals/prayers” for major issues like world peace or hunger, but balk at doing the same amount of healing on themselves or their fellow members?
- Do they list a ton of titles in their emails and in their conversations with you? Do they brag about their certificates and accomplishments a great deal? Do they seem very self-absorbed as a whole?
[…] on July 25, 2013 · Leave a Comment Recently I posted a list of red flags to look for in esoteric orders, as in, what NOT to look for. Today I will post a things to actually look for. Peachy, huh? […]
I am not sure that one is necessarily fair. For example if you read one guys blog I am a satanic masonic born again Christian who spends all his time trying to destroy his order and the Golden Dawn. In fact I am a pagan who works on his own stuff and talks about it and does not really care if I step on someone else’s treasured theories that they really are gods. If one is true then I am trouble… well more than I really am 🙂
Yeah, I need to rephrase the Internet one. Still in all…..
yep all perfectly true